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1989.06.DD - Patience CD single - W. Axl Rose interview

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Post by Blackstar Thu Nov 08, 2018 7:30 am



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Del James: Sitting inside Axl Rose's apartment, one sees many things. One sees the successful side of it, decorated in platinum, gold discs awards. And then, one also sees the other side, the real side, the frustration.  There are several shattered platinum discs, there's a shattered mirror wall and there is a man trying to live his life. The single Patience is doing quite well, it's climbing the charts, the video is doing successful on MTV...

Axl: Will you light another Marlboro? (Laughs)

Del: Axl, how do you feel about the song Patience and, more personally, are you a patient person or is your patience somewhere running thin?

Axl: Okay, the song...  When I sang the song it was the first time I'd ever sang it. Izzy basically wrote most of the words, except for the ending part. And then Slash and Duff got it on, rearranging and rewriting parts - the music parts of it, the guitar parts. But even then, one reason the song was written was about needing patience and having a lack of it. And, you know, Duff's written his version of Patience, it's kind of a comedy version which may be out sometime. Izzy has a new song and it says - let's see, how does that go - Double-talking jive/get the money motherfucker/’cause I got no more patience (laughs). You know, I can't stand to watch the video of it or anything.  I'm proud of the video; it's just - when I hear it, it just makes me think about how I don’t have any patience now.  Same way for basically everybody in the band. It's like, it depresses us because we go, “Man, we thought we were getting closer to finding some peace of mind,” and we are farther from it than we’ve ever been – or at least that’s the way it seems.  

Del: When you say that you would’ve thought you'd be closer to getting some sort of patience or peace of mind, what in reality is your life, somewhat likened, in a few seconds?

Axl: It's strange. I mean, it's like, to everybody else we’re viewed as what they see, what Guns N’ Roses means to them, and that's how we're treated to these people. At the same time, we've all been pretty much private in our lives, except when we go out and get crazy, which isn't every day. Now it's few and far between, because you don't have the mental ability or whatever, the patience to go out and deal with lots of people you don't know. And you gotta be so careful with what you say. You can't say, “Look, get the fuck away from me." And people that are just - they're fans of yours, they like what you do and it's like, they don't understand if you had a bad day or something like that, you know. It’s... I can't really find the easy answers right now.

Del: Okay. Well, looking around the apartment I see what once was a beautifully mirrored wall that is now destroyed. What brings out the violent side of Axl Rose?

Axl: Frustration and not being able to handle a situation that you feel you should be able to take control of, which can be anything with dealing with our success in any way; dealing with, you know, money, interviews, fans, record companies, radio stations, all of that; and not really knowing how to do it. I mean, a lot of strange things happen to piss you off, and you’d like to smash somebody with that. But that's gonna get you in a lawsuit or something like that. So, you know, it's just pent-up frustration, not knowing what to do, and releasing it. And it's not, like, okay, yeah, now I've got money so I’ll just break things all the time, dah dah dah. I always broke things.

Del: This is true.  It's gotten to the point where...

Axl: I feel a lot like that character in The Godfather, Sonny, who gets pissed off and he goes and does something; and then, eventually, he has that used against him, and he goes out, and it's a setup, and he gets shot. And that fear also breeds frustration of, like, okay I'm mad, I want to do something, I want to take action and I wanna get (?) with this person that just screwed me over; and you know you can't, because you know that there's gonna be consequences that you're gonna have to face up to out of whatever you do; and you can't pinpoint all of them, you know, to make sure you can get away with whatever action you decide to take. So, instead, I'll just break something of my own, and that depresses me too, but it's better than sitting in jail, I guess.

Del: This is true. Are you a patient person? Does it take a lot to piss you off?

Axl: To a lot of people, no. To me, yeah, because they may say something in a conversation that might set me off. But it might be something that, you know, 200 people over the last three years infinitely have been saying or doing, and the act that they do is the one that sets me off. Lately I've been running into people who... decide, and a crowd of people that they're gonna get out verbally whatever they want to say to me, and this and that, and try and shoot us down, you know. And it's like, my words to these people are like, “Don't you be - Don't let me make you an example of the new way."  In other words, that like, you know, don’t be the stupid person who’s gonna get in the way and let me make an example of you that I'm not going to take any shit anymore and I’m tired of it.

Del: Okay. Do you have any more feelings on the song Patience?

Axl: I've read in interviews, where they titled the articles “Patience is a virtue”, talking about our videos like that. And that's the truth. It's a virtue, it's something that we try and strive for and try to gain more of it; and the more we think we have it, the less we actually do. It's kind of like time. But it's also saying that we know that a lot of situations just need more patience to make them work; you know, not just from us, from anybody involved in a situation. It takes patience on all parts to get to reach an understanding, and that's what - it can make something work ,and that's what we're trying to achieve at different times. The world could use a bit more patience.

Del: The band's ready to start pre-production for the follow-up to the EP GN’R Lies. Any comments?

Axl: We're all very excited about it. I just, you know, hope that we can be left alone enough that we can... and we sit around and we don't get bored. Boredom is a major killer of patience and everything else (chuckles). But we've got a lot of ideas, and a lot of songs, a lot of parts of songs; and if we sit around and can keep a creative fire going, we're just gonna record as many things as we possibly can this time around. That could be anything from 10 songs to 30 songs.

Del: Goodbye, Ax. See ya.
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Post by ludurigan Tue Jul 19, 2022 4:31 am

Blackstar wrote:
Axl: Okay, the song...  When I sang the song it was the first time I'd ever sang it. Izzy basically wrote most of the words, except for the ending part. And then Slash and Duff got it on, rearranging and rewriting parts - the music parts of it, the guitar parts. But even then, one reason the song was written was about needing patience and having a lack of it. And, you know, Duff's written his version of Patience, it's kind of a comedy version which may be out sometime. Izzy has a new song and it says - let's see, how does that go - Double-talking jive/get the money motherfucker/’cause I got no more patience (laughs).

That's funny, there is a "comedy version" of Patience. If Axl says that it "might be out sometime" then I think it is fair to say that it is possible that the song was recorded (likely as a joke) in the studio by the band?

And so now we know that Izzy already had Double Talking Jive (or the main idea for it) in (or before) June 1989.
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Post by Blackstar Tue Jul 19, 2022 4:40 am

ludurigan wrote:
Blackstar wrote:
Axl: Okay, the song...  When I sang the song it was the first time I'd ever sang it. Izzy basically wrote most of the words, except for the ending part. And then Slash and Duff got it on, rearranging and rewriting parts - the music parts of it, the guitar parts. But even then, one reason the song was written was about needing patience and having a lack of it. And, you know, Duff's written his version of Patience, it's kind of a comedy version which may be out sometime. Izzy has a new song and it says - let's see, how does that go - Double-talking jive/get the money motherfucker/’cause I got no more patience (laughs).
That's funny, there is a "comedy version" of Patience. If Axl says that it "might be out sometime" then I think it is fair to say that it is possible that the song was recorded (likely as a joke) in the studio by the band?

Duff has talked about the joke version:

https://www.a-4-d.com/t88-patience

(It's in the second quote and in the long one from Seattle Weekly).

It doesn't seem it was recorded by the band.
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Post by ludurigan Tue Jul 19, 2022 6:42 am

Blackstar wrote:


ludurigan wrote:



Blackstar wrote:
Axl: Okay, the song...  When I sang the song it was the first time I'd ever sang it. Izzy basically wrote most of the words, except for the ending part. And then Slash and Duff got it on, rearranging and rewriting parts - the music parts of it, the guitar parts. But even then, one reason the song was written was about needing patience and having a lack of it. And, you know, Duff's written his version of Patience, it's kind of a comedy version which may be out sometime. Izzy has a new song and it says - let's see, how does that go - Double-talking jive/get the money motherfucker/’cause I got no more patience (laughs).



That's funny, there is a "comedy version" of Patience. If Axl says that it "might be out sometime" then I think it is fair to say that it is possible that the song was recorded (likely as a joke) in the studio by the band?




Duff has talked about the joke version:

https://www.a-4-d.com/t88-patience

(It's in the second quote and in the long one from Seattle Weekly).

It doesn't seem it was recorded by the band.



Thanks!

Yes I believe you are probably correct.

But...

Isn't it weird that Axl mentions it in an 1989 interview?

This is five years after the time of Duff's account about the drugs/slugs verse. Duff is very particular about the time, he even mentions that Vallium was the drug of the month for that specific 1984 period.

I am guessing there may be more to that? More verses? A later, extended, "joke version"?

I am sure you know that one recording session that they did for Lies where they do all the acoustic songs and then they also do Cornshucker acoustic -- and Cornshucker was caught on tape.

I can picture Duff singing an later, extended, joke version (or at least some bits of it) in that same recording session!

But yeah, not very likely I suppose!
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